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Snow Axe
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Posted - 2012.11.23 07:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:So to boil it down stop acting like a Null Sec lobby group and More like representatives of ALL players.
Why not ask Kelduum or Issler (the 2 highsec representatives) why they signed off on it going out as it did without any highsec content? Issler at the very least has been active - aren't you curious to find out why your highsec candidates have apparently failed highsec? Wouldn't you rather be proactive about this rather than just going the easy "ITS ALL A NULL CONSPIRACY" route which accomplishes nothing? |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.23 08:22:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Did they sign off on it all that was said was that the current ACTIVE CSM members did, besides the authors who knows what that means.
As I have said to you before I personally would like to see Null fixed but not at the expense of Hi-sec and after the POS's and the corporate management system was fixed. Which is exactly what giving Hi-sec minerals to Null will do.
Nor am I a CSM member, it is my interests I represent, not the player bases as a whole, just as it is in your best interests to represent your own, which you do frequently.
Well, even if they aren't active, it'd probably be a good idea to find out one way or the other, wouldn't it? Get their answer and draw your own conclusions, I guess. Issler in particular is pretty active on the forums at least, shouldn't be a chore to get a hold of her and ask her what the deal is.
I'm not even going to bother talking specifics of the proposal with you (mostly b/c we did already in the Jita Park forums), just offering suggestions for you (or anyone else) that isn't satisfied with what you see. This CSM isn't dominated by nullsec at all, quite the contrary actually; the only co-authors you could call nullsec residents are Alekseyev and Trebor (at least I think, anyway, I CBA to find out where merc corps live), and neither of them are sov null participants*. They clearly thought that sov null issues are pretty important to fix - hell, you could probably even ask them why they had a hand in prioritizing issues that didn't necessarily directly pertain to their style of gameplay. Either way, something has to be better than grumbling about nullsec dominance that just isn't there.
* fun fact: Only 3 current CSM members are in alliances that actually hold sov - Greene Lee (AAA), Dovinian (TEST) and Darius III (Brick Squad). Only one of those are top 3. Nullsec lobbying group, indeed! |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:10:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes because what is the CSMs biggest problem after all the years of NUll sec dominance and control?
CSM 6 is the only CSM you can objectively say was dominated by nullsec, and that was largely backlash to CSM 5's highsec-heavy makeup actually being listened to by CCP. Then again, CSM 1-4 were the definition of useless so it's not terribly relevant.
Either way, you keep ignoring my point (Frying Doom ignoring a point to go off about whatever? You don't say!). You feel that this document doesn't adequately reflect the direction the game needs to go, that it's too nullsec heavy. Yet, it was authored by many people who have no stake in nullsec at all, so why won't you try talking to them about why they believe this? Hell, you pretty publicly stumped for Issler during the election, you'd think you'd at least care about her opinion. What gives? Are you afraid to PM them or something?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.23 09:24:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I know where Two step is from where are the others from?
As to Pming the members would it not have been easier if they had said these members agreed with this rather than the vague active statement? or if you believe so strongly that the Hi-sec candidates agreed to this why don't you go get quotes off them.
Alekseyev and Trebor are in merc corps (Noir and DNS). They probably operate in null (couldn't tell you for sure, though being mercs I'd imagine part of that answer is "where the money is"), but neither hold sov. Hans is a FW guy (Minmatar). Kind of embarassing that I have to tell you that when you've already decided that CSM 7 is dominated by null.
And you're right, it would be way better if the CSM members would explain themselves more often. They don't though, and you do actually have to prod them to get answers. Sucks, but that's the reality of the situation if you actually want answers. Of course, if you just want to keep pissing and moaning about invisible biases, go right ahead, and you'll be ignored by anyone with critical thinking skills as usual. Up to you, really :) |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.11.24 04:14:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Giving Null player commodities that they can trade with other areas like T3 frigates with the gas and parts specific to Null sec. Not just Super coffins no other area would care about.
Get rid of Tech and the rest of moon mining and put ring mining in for Null, low and Wormhole space
I...don't think you've thought this through. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:09:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Care to explain why or you just prefer larger bounties that will just again get nerfed as soon as the inflation rate goes up
I was talking about how you started with saying null needs a unique resource to trade with the rest of the game and then concluding that you need to take away one of null's unique resources that it trades with the rest of the game. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:19:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:No tech is not a unique resource it is a badly implemented broken mechanic.
But in saying that if the Alliance that held those moons gave all the profits of them to its members, the members would not have such a crappy risk vs reward. They are not a resource for players unlike ring mining they are a welfare hand out to corps.
Tech is absolutely a unique resource. Too unique at a point, sure (not anymore thanks to alchemy - check the market prices of Tech if you want), but a unique resource nonetheless. Your solution to this is to destroy an entire game mechanic (moon mining) because one single resource was given far too much importance by a short-sighed CCP change.
Moon mining doesn't need to be touched at all. Play with alchemy or T2 schemas to minimize the impact of bottlenecks, sure. Removing the entire mechanic (especially for some vaguely defined Jesus feature like Ring Mining) is just stupid and unnecessary. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:41:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:If moon mining did not need to be touched at all, then if you take the total income provided by Moon mining in Null and divide it by the number of Null sec players, subsequently their incomes are substantially higher.
Subsequently their risk vs. reward is more acceptable. You can not have it both ways complaining that the individual players are broke while some corporations are raking in trillions a year from moon mining.
It is a broken mechanic, corps and alliance funding should be from the bottom up, not the top down or you end up with a circumstance like this where some corporations are wasting money hand over fist while their members are on the forums bitching about Nulls risk vs reward.
You're being quite dishonest representing nullsec as a whole - only a fairly small region of the game was fortunate enough to have Tech. Non-tech mining is nowhere near as lucrative (Neo's the closest at 35k p/u, then Plat and Dyspro at 9-10k p/u. For reference, Tech at its highest point broke 200k p/u). Moon mining itself isn't the problem - the high necessity for Tech in T2 production combined with its geographical scarcity was the problem, and that's been dealt a very heavy blow by alchemy. Check tech prices if you doubt this - ever since the alchemy changes went in, Tech's been dropping heavily (aside from the brief spike at the beginning of the CFC - Dotbros war in the North that interrupted supply) and still has room to drop - I think some of the math placed its likely floor at ~40k.
Still, talking about tech and applying the problems associated with it to all of null is a straight-up lie, and you're using it to advocate nuking a mechanic that, aside from the Tech issue, isn't even some major problem. The major problem with null is that there has never been any good ground-up methods to make an alliance prosper - it was either luck out on moons or rent your space to whoever was paying. That's the direction null changes need to go in, and removing moon mining doesn't accomplish any of that. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 05:55:00 -
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I see you're going for the Frying Doom "ignore rebuttals and keep saying the same thing over and over again" method. I'll put this in caveman terms just in case things like "paragraphs" and "points" throw you.
Tech bad. CCP need fix tech. CCP start fix Tech. This good thing. Moon mining not Tech. No break moon mining because of Tech. Just fix Tech. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:04:00 -
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There we have it, even caveman speak is over his head. |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:07:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Snow Axe wrote:There we have it, even caveman speak is over his head. And insults or no you are just worried about your low maintenance isk fountains.
Right, that's exactly why I keep advocating for nerfs to tech. Unless you're trying to say that non-tech moons are isk fountains, in which case looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:16:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Tech should not be nerfed it should be gone.
Yeah as people put up moon minng operations because they are high maintenance and loosing businesses.
No they are not huge fountains like tech but they still do not require much player interaction to gain reward.
Right, remove tech and replace it with what exactly?
Raw mineral mining moons aren't isk fountains anymore - only tech and neo are capable of bringing over a bil a month, then there's plat and dyspro which are just over 700mil/month. After that you're getting into the "might cover fuel costs for a large tower" crowd. Reactions and advanced materials may be a different story, but they're far from low effort.
In conclusion, you're making **** up as you go along as usual.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:34:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Ring Mining, that was what that feature is for.
Ring Mining doesn't even exist outside of a name yet. Talking about replacing anything with Ring Mining before Ring Mining exists is dumb at best and dangerous at worst. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 06:42:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Actually as I have said in other threads, I personally think tech should be an NPC good until they do the POS revamp and the ring mining, as it is so out of balance to the rest of the game. Yes alchemy lowered its price but it is still distorting the whole of Null.
If it's still distorting the whole of null, it's because the rest of null by itself really is *that* worthless, not that Tech is still some massive problem. Hence why giving 0.0 its own bottom-up income tools and industrial capacity is important enough to make it into this document - a fact you've opposed already.
Either way, the overarcing point in all of this is that your laser focus on tech and moon mining is completely missing what the actual problem with sov null is. Thankfully the CSM members who wrote this document weren't so petty and myopic as you. |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.24 07:21:00 -
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So you're saying that fixing a segment of the game that is literally broken is a waste of company resources? |

Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.11.25 11:30:00 -
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Rutger Janssen wrote:As I only skimmed over the document and the posts, I do apologize if I missed it.
I don't see any mention of bug fixing.
This document is trying to sell CCP on adding elements to their overall development vision for Eve in the next year+. The scope is beyond things like bug fixing, which is just an assumed part of any kind of development. |
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